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Topic Started: Aug 23 2008, 02:44 PM (107 Views)
patmed	Aug 23 2008, 02:44 PM Post #1
Moderator Posts: 2,845 Group: Moderator Member #136 Joined: January 26, 2006	there is something about this image that just screams powerful and i cant put my finger on it. the contrast is superb and the run down look of the building mixed with whatever exposure kyle did in b/w is just spot on. it was almost the daily winner had the humming bird (which my knowledge of shooting birds isnt great but i know how hard it is to take a picture of a small bird sitting still so one in flight must be exponentially hard) not been there.



kman627	Aug 25 2008, 09:11 AM Post #2
Film Junkie Posts: 1,102 Group: The Professor Member #325 Joined: July 31, 2006 Camera Kiev 60 / Nikon N80 Lens #1 Zeiss Flektogon 50/4 - Arsat 80/2.8 - Kaleinar 3Б 150/2.8 - Jupiter 36Б 250/3.5 Lens #2 Nikkor 50/1.8	Thanks pat. I've always loved this hotel, it's got a great theme and it's decay it quite beautiful. I made three different compositions of the hotel, but they sign was most important as it really stands out on the facade. Having no perspective control, I knew it would be difficult, so I wanted to get just the right juxtaposition of elements. I was using a square format medium format camera. I like the square format because there are a lot of things you just can't do with a rectangular frame. So I decided after trying several compositions that it worked best with the sign verticle. I knew I had to shoot black & white film in order to get the amount of detail and contrast I wanted, and I knew I wanted to have good contrast and slight vignette, so I used both a Red 25A filter and a C. Polarizer. It came out exactly as I had visualized, so I was overall very happy with the results.



patmed	Aug 25 2008, 12:17 PM Post #3
Moderator Posts: 2,845 Group: Moderator Member #136 Joined: January 26, 2006	that right there is what im hoping to gain from school..... you took this picture the way you planned it to be and it came out perfect...me i have to apply a dozen filters in photoshop to get the picture i was expecting to get when i took the picture. perhaps that will change over the next few years.



kman627	Aug 25 2008, 12:36 PM Post #4
Film Junkie Posts: 1,102 Group: The Professor Member #325 Joined: July 31, 2006 Camera Kiev 60 / Nikon N80 Lens #1 Zeiss Flektogon 50/4 - Arsat 80/2.8 - Kaleinar 3Б 150/2.8 - Jupiter 36Б 250/3.5 Lens #2 Nikkor 50/1.8	Visualization is of great importance. It's no different than anything else you undertake. If you were building a cabinet, you'd draw up plans and they would tell you exactly how it was going to look. You wouldn't just go buy a bunch of wood and tools and go at it. Making a photograph is no different. Visualize it, then put the tools together (exposure, composition, colour choices) If you do this, you'll spend very little time if any afterward.



kikals	Aug 25 2008, 03:09 PM Post #5
Innocent Posts: 3,305 Group: Senior member Member #19 Joined: October 15, 2005 Camera Nikon D50 Lens #1 50mm 1.8f	Awesome Kyle!!! Do they have vignette filters!?! they are prolly expensive huh? Ive looked at diff. filters before and was shocked how much they are selling little pieces of glass!! haha Edited by kikals, Aug 25 2008, 03:10 PM.



kman627	Aug 25 2008, 03:26 PM Post #6
Film Junkie Posts: 1,102 Group: The Professor Member #325 Joined: July 31, 2006 Camera Kiev 60 / Nikon N80 Lens #1 Zeiss Flektogon 50/4 - Arsat 80/2.8 - Kaleinar 3Б 150/2.8 - Jupiter 36Б 250/3.5 Lens #2 Nikkor 50/1.8	Vignetting is difficult and there are no filters that will do it. You can stack a bunch of filters until they enter into the image area, but it won't look natural. The problem is the lens makers go to great length to eliminate vignetting. It can occur naturally, but typically on older, fast lenses when shot wide open. Good filters are expensive, and rightfully so, as a good filter will have an excellent optical element. The only filters I use are Heliopan and B+W, both made in Germany. The only filters I typically use are Red, Yellow (both for B+W) and warming and polarizers for color work.



kikals	Aug 25 2008, 04:46 PM Post #7
Innocent Posts: 3,305 Group: Senior member Member #19 Joined: October 15, 2005 Camera Nikon D50 Lens #1 50mm 1.8f	Ive gotten a LITTLE bit of natural vignetting on a couple of my pictures. I really like it! I tried making one in my editing program, but it was hard and its still not really what I am wanting it to be... is there a plug-in or filter in PS that people use??



kman627	Aug 25 2008, 04:57 PM Post #8
Film Junkie Posts: 1,102 Group: The Professor Member #325 Joined: July 31, 2006 Camera Kiev 60 / Nikon N80 Lens #1 Zeiss Flektogon 50/4 - Arsat 80/2.8 - Kaleinar 3Б 150/2.8 - Jupiter 36Б 250/3.5 Lens #2 Nikkor 50/1.8	It's really simple in PS. Create a new layer and fill it with black, then mess with erasing the center of it and adjusting its overall opacity until it looks natural.



kikals	Aug 25 2008, 06:26 PM Post #9
Innocent Posts: 3,305 Group: Senior member Member #19 Joined: October 15, 2005 Camera Nikon D50 Lens #1 50mm 1.8f	Oh really??? Hahaha cuz thats what I did in my editing program! I dont need PS! but mine doesnt look natural...



gretchensteele	Aug 26 2008, 08:05 AM Post #10
Admin Posts: 5,236 Group: Admin Member #178 Joined: February 9, 2006 Camera Canon 5D, 400D, 350D, A1, AE1P, Rebel Lens #1 Too many to list!	kman627 Aug 25 2008, 12:36 PM Visualization is of great importance. It's no different than anything else you undertake. If you were building a cabinet, you'd draw up plans and they would tell you exactly how it was going to look. You wouldn't just go buy a bunch of wood and tools and go at it. Making a photograph is no different. Visualize it, then put the tools together (exposure, composition, colour choices) If you do this, you'll spend very little time if any afterward. THat's so true Kyle... I canouldn't stress that more.. think about what you are wanting to achieve.. I'll admit I doa fair amout of quick "gut" sooting - given my subjects sometimes that all I can do, but when I 'm not shooting fastmoving/ fast changing creatures and bikes.. look it from a dozen different perspectives, look at the light and how it falls.. look aroun dthe image frame and wathc out for little distractions.. ( in my case - I'm always moving little sticks, leaves, blades of grass etc. ) In most cases I've found that little bit of time you take makes a huge difference. Kyle where is this marvelous hotel? It's just a great shot that shows the granduer that once was there.. it feels like a perfect shot of an old grand building that now finds itself decaying a bit like the rest of neighborhood.. maybe I'm reading to much into the picture.. but it sure seems like a wonerful urban "decay" type shot.



kman627	Aug 26 2008, 08:37 AM Post #11
Film Junkie Posts: 1,102 Group: The Professor Member #325 Joined: July 31, 2006 Camera Kiev 60 / Nikon N80 Lens #1 Zeiss Flektogon 50/4 - Arsat 80/2.8 - Kaleinar 3Б 150/2.8 - Jupiter 36Б 250/3.5 Lens #2 Nikkor 50/1.8	Thanks Gretchen. It's just a few blocks from me. It stands out more and more too because it's being overshadowed by high-rise condo buildings. It's still in business too! It's got wonderful character and I think I'll shoot it again here in the near future. It along with the "California Theatre" The California is a beautiful building, but unfortunatley in really bad shape and abandoned. Urban decay is always a fun subject.



gretchensteele	Aug 26 2008, 12:15 PM Post #12
Admin Posts: 5,236 Group: Admin Member #178 Joined: February 9, 2006 Camera Canon 5D, 400D, 350D, A1, AE1P, Rebel Lens #1 Too many to list!	Kyle maybe when I get out there next year (probably late spring) you can show me a few of the hot spots.. I love to shoot the urban decay.. but sheesh .. no one ever wants to venture into the buildings/neighborhoods with me ... big chickens..



kman627	Aug 26 2008, 12:36 PM Post #13
Film Junkie Posts: 1,102 Group: The Professor Member #325 Joined: July 31, 2006 Camera Kiev 60 / Nikon N80 Lens #1 Zeiss Flektogon 50/4 - Arsat 80/2.8 - Kaleinar 3Б 150/2.8 - Jupiter 36Б 250/3.5 Lens #2 Nikkor 50/1.8	You're coming out this way? That would be awesome. I live downtown so I'm quite familiar with all the best old buildings and other interesting things.



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